Those of Whiteside (s) Surname yDNA Project May 8, 2008

Welcome !

Welcome to the 7th year of the search to find genetic lineage of those of Whiteside surnames. The “Whiteside Family Association” is a four year reality. Please consider becoming a member of the WFA, Inc. For only $10 (per family) you can be a part of all this. The WFA, Inc. has sponsored a web site that includes many features including links to Internet web pages like this one to provide you with the most up to date material. Do your part in continuing to make that happen. My Thanks to those who are renewing/supporting members of the WFA. It makes all this work.

The results below are for this project. They have also been adjusted to reflect the new values of analysis on the 19 and 464 loci. The number of participants in the project has increased with well over FIFTY Whiteside (s), Whitside, Whiteside, Whitsett and Whitsitt males joining this effort. Those who bear the surname (and variants) are indicative of those of Whiteside are coming forward to participate in a project that started with just two of the Whiteside surname in 2000.The results are giving new insights into early origins of the genetic tribes of Whiteside.

Results from the samples below show how the project continues to grow. All identities are shown as I.D. # . The conclusions drawn from samples will be discussed via the yDNA message forum at the new Whiteside Family Association, Inc. web site.

12 marker test results

DYS numbers àwith non-matches in the earliest ancestor (family group) color Yellow numbers are those markers

that mutate the more frequently

I.D.	Earliest Ancestor	Origin	393	390	394- 19	391	385a	385b	426	388	439	389-1	392	389-2

7784		Pennsylvania	13	23	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	13	12	30
12169		England	13	23	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	13	12	30
98159		North Ireland	13	24	14	10	16	17	11	12	13	14	11	32
12931	Demetrius of York 47AD?	Lancashire,(Staining) England	13	23	13	10	17	18	11	12	12	13	11	30
17544	Demetrius of York 47AD?	Lancashire, (Staining) England	13	23	13	10	17	18	11	12	12	13	11	30

10270	Niall Ireland d-450AD	Niall- IRELAND Participant- England	13	25	14	11	11	13	12	12	12	13	14	29
15343		Lancashire, England	13	25	14	11	11	13	12	12	13	13	14	29
29405		North Ireland	13	25	14	11	11	14	12	12	13	13	13	29


98160		North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	11	14	14	31
10626		North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	11	13	14	30
572		Preston, England	13	24	14	10	11	14	12	12	12	13	13	30
90420		North Ireland	13	23	14	10	11	14	12	12	12	13	13	30
19845		North Ireland	13	23	14	12	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
90935		England	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	13	31
64327		ST Michael’s-on-Wyre	13	24	15	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	32
97386		England	13	24	15	11	11	14	12	12	13	14	14	31
5354		Bryning, England	13	24	15	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
357		Delaware	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
4397		Virginia	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
19647		Blackburn England	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
105189		Alabama	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
28477		Antrim, North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
19433		North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
30184		North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31





84538			13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
14061		North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
4296		Co. Antrim, North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31

9921		North Carolina	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
4329		Strathclyde Scotland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
4626		Co. Antrim North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
19844		North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
18430		North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
6877		Co. Antrim North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
73330		North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
75068		North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
10130		Antrim North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
R57264		North Carolina	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
7461		Virginia	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
90926		England	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
9007		Virginia	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
24496		Scotland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
7609		Virginia	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
6354		Co. Sligo West Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
R58592		Bolton, England	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
N34988		England	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
81141		England	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	14	31
66001		Connecticut	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	13	12	14	14	31
99836		North Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	13	14	14	31
10687		Lytham England	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	13	14	14	31
4483		Warton, England	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	15	14	32
51838		Ireland	13	24	14	11	11	14	12	12	12	14	15	31

What now is the difference between Whiteside, Whitesides, Whitside , Whitsitt and Whitsett ?

Absolutely none. Take note of matches to the first project Sample #357 . Samples come from a Whitesides (with the added S) as well as from a Whitside and others from a Whitsitt/Whitsett vs. Whiteside . This discovery would tend to indicate that name variations have little to do with final actual and genetic linkages. Facts not discovered through documents can sometimes lead to confusing and unrealistic differences. Of late we find those whose earliest immigrant grandfather came 100 years after earlier

cousins! Expectations are that we will see continued genetic matches to Whitsett and Whiteside(s), Whitside, Whitsitt and yet unexplored variations to the base surname. This along with much different times of migration is now the genetic reality. I could see Whitsed and others as a potential genetic match and continued matches with those who do not carry the Whiteside or variant surnames. The problem appears to have originated in the pronunciation of the name and the resultant phonetic spellings by ancient scribes with varying degrees of proficiency. We see samples from those whose surname has changed spelling multiple times throughout the ensuing generations for many reasons. I call it surname flip-flopping. Cousins who lack documentation linkages yet are cousins none the less through yDNA findings. Documents are almost impossible to link when the surname changes spelling. Sorta like the pea and shell game. Two males of the Whiteside/Crawford family group have seen the re-establishment of linkage to cousins who share the current “base” or “reference” profile. They are EXACT yet again there is no supporting documentation and a different migrant grandfather at a later time frame. Those of you who are wondering just where your immediate family fits into the picture of this larger and unknown (to you) family should seriously consider sampling in the project. For your own family you can give this gift of knowledge and become a part of something that can only happen with participation. Why not join with us ? What reasoning should prevent that? Establish this legacy of a much larger family that is your own.

To see how the 389-1 and -2 calculation is arrived at along with an explanation

Click HERE.

Regardless of any speculations or previous theories the samples above factored in with migratory patterns should prove to be conclusive and scientific proof positive of actual genetic family linkages. At present time I am of the view that in the main those of Whiteside were a highly mobile (migratory) family whose origins may have been from the first Britons or Celtic (Belga) traders who lived in a town north of present day London in pre Roman times. Current project participants spread all over the British Isles as well as the rest of our world bear testament to the migratory attributes of our family. The above results should provide a foundation that others can use to better focus or refine their research. To date, there are now five genetically different family groups that have been identified as sharing the Whiteside surname with differing degrees of genetic material. Who knows what has yet to be found? It could be that there will just be four or six major genetic groups or it could be twenty or twelve. One thing is certain…. Over 1,000 years ago there were people who either lived or had lived in an area known as Lanark of Whiteside and they adopted it as a surname. Surnames were an advanced idea of the tax collectors of that time. They needed the extra name for more efficient taxing purposes. The adoption of this specific surname along with confirming yDNA numbers is the most reliable way of indicating earliest origins.

For more in depth information concerning this new and exciting tool of genealogists I would suggest that you read Professor Bryan Sykes book “The Seven Daughters of Eve”. Prof. Sykes makes the point that over 80% of the current inhabitants of England are descended from the original “hunter/gatherer people “ who lived in what is now the British Isles. I would agree but know there are exceptions in the project. Contrary to a previous theory that invaders and later immigrants had displaced the original Celtic Briton people, these original hunter/gather stock are still the major Haplotype residing in the British Isles.

Prof. Sykes has written additional books (Adam’s Curse and Saxons, Vikings and Celts). Further support of the conclusion that Those of Whiteside sprang from these ancient Britons is found in the writings of an Oxford research fellow David Miles. In “The Tribes of Britain”, archaeologist David Miles says around 80 percent of the genetic characteristics of most Britons have been passed down from a few thousand Ice Age hunters. His book highlights the sources of other genetic contributors as seen from unearthed town, burial and building sites.

The Norman/Norse Haplotype shows DYS # 390 as a different value then those you can note with these above samples. This is an expected result given that the above samples are of the same “Haplotype” that Prof. Sykes would predict. Sykes other intriguing book titled “Adam’s Curse” I believe is his best to date. A must read in my opinion. For those who would like a book written from another perspective, I recommend “Tribes of Britain’ by David Miles. Mr. Miles is an archeologist so that his views are based on that discipline.

About the privacy Issue !!

Just as general information for those concerned about access to these samples and the privacy issue: These samples come from what is described as the 23^rd string or “junk” yDNA (non recombining). In others words it contains NONE of the data that would indicate eye, hair color, or markers that would indicate genetic based diseases. Its application is mostly limited to identification in gender and genealogy. (Female string is X or mDNA Also note that more than three mismatches with a 12 marker analysis indicates no genetic match (not kindred). Developments of late has seen a revision/expansion of genetic groups and the numbering system. We now have R1b1 and R1b1c in the project.

About yDNA profiles !

I can’t make anyone’s numbers different than what is reported to me from the lab. Please understand that I would LOVE to see everyone match according to their expectations or research. It just doesn’t always happen this way and I am left to break the news and attempt an explanation. No science or technology is perfect including this one. There can be errors along with results that don’t match records. However I have seen many more “ right on” numbers than ones that I would question. Of late I have had those who would question this science and hold it to a lesser level than written records. Mainly I see this as motivated by unexpected numbers or ones that conflict with their opinions based on manuscripts or records. These profiles are what genealogists now use as citations or proof and most software now has a place for yDNA citations. Nothing wrong with questioning your numbers but try to avoid doing that with the science. The proof derived from it is useful to many who are not trained or accomplished genealogists. (ME !!) If nothing else it provides a genetic starting point for your document searches.

Check back to this page to see the latest developments in research of those of Whiteside surnames. Better yet, COME AND JOIN with us in this new and exciting journey of discovery !!

We can all find reasons NOT to participate but the simple fact is that neither this project, the WFA (along with its web site) can ever grow to its full potential or share newly made discoveries without your participation. We are talking about establishing KNOWN family groups and forever discarding previously held conclusions that could be incorrect. Currently a senior historian of the WFA is working along with others in helping establish contemporary family to their documented family group. When you see a participant number above you are seeing one representative of a documented/charted family group. Think about how many members there are of his immediate family and then you will know just how many people are involved through this sole participant. Those who may have thought they were but one (sometimes small) immediate documented family are now able to know those who have been lost through the generation.

Establish and record the genealogical identity of your family group. Join with those others of your long lost kindred! Take a few minutes to scrub a sample from the inside of your cheek and pay $99 (US) to have it analyzed. A small price to make a big mark.

To Bob Whitside and his Son, Chris: What can I say ? These cousins have come forward to lend their skills and expertise in an invaluable family effort. What a “driving force” and a “go to” guy our Bob ! He had created and maintained the web address and page of the WFA, Inc. along with serving as a director. Now his Son Chris is with us. This site is (as of 10/07) a new and more capable one. In time added data files will become available via the WFA online Whiteside library !

Our sincere THANKS to the Stones and Beverly Massey for all they did to make our 2nd and 3^rd Gathering such a success at the home of Barbara and Ernie Stone near Vernon, Indiana. Our continued gratitude to Elliott ( V.P. , WFA) and his wife Jo Ann Whitesides who generously started our annual Gathering at their home in Kingston, TN. Without them and their unselfish gift there would be no Whiteside Family Association, Inc. Next Gathering (2008) will be at Gastonia. NC on May 31st. This would be our second non hosted one.

Our September 2004 Gathering was also the first “official” business meeting of the newly formed Whiteside Family Association, Inc. ( now a charitable, non profit, I.R.S. recognized 501( c ) 3 corporation of the state of Delaware).

Click here to go to the Whiteside Family Association, Inc. Web site

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